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Monday, July 13, 2009

Are Local Restaurants Too Informal, Too Inexpensive?

DW of St. Paul wrote about a unique problem: He finds our local restaurants too informal, and far too inexpensive. I wrote back to him with my advice. A few days later he sent the same message to my editor, still seeking an answer; I assume my original reply got stuck in his spam filter. He also claims to have sent this letter to many others, including the General Managers of Seven, Cosmos, and more. This letter-writing frenzy happened a few weeks ago, but over time DW’s thoughts have stuck with me, namely because they seem to highlight the difficulty that General Managers have when balancing the dictum that a customer is always right with the rest of life.

So, I thought this might be a fun exercise. I’ll reprint DW’s letter, and the response I sent. If you were the GM of a restaurant receiving this letter, what would you say to this person?

Dear Dara,
My wife and I moved to the Twin Cities from West Palm Beach, Florida, last September. Our second wedding anniversary is coming up in November and I want to take her out for a very special dining experience. First class all the way. The best food. All the glitz. Everything. And with two large cities right next to each other, I find it totally not understandable why in this entire metro area, there is not one single restaurant that cater's [sic] to "formal" dining (or what might be called the "formal dining experience"). If you don't understand what I'm talking about, below is a copy of an email that I sent to Seven Steakhouse (somewhat similar emails also went out to Manny's, Cosmos, The Capital Grille, and I think Kozy's). I tried sending an email to Andrew Zimmern, as I enjoy his show and as he is based here, I thought he could point me in the right direction. But so far, my emails have garnered no responses. Talk about frustrating. Maybe you can point me in the right direction. In any case, here is the email that I sent to Seven Steakhouse:

What would it cost me to get Seven to, for just one night, have what might be called a "Formal Night?" In other words, for that one night, make attire mandatory formal (customers must come dressed in formal evening attire). I ask because while I like a lot of what I see on the Dinner menu, though I couldn't find any wines that were to my taste (but maybe you could get one from either a supplier or from La Belle Vie), I'm looking for a restaurant that offers "formal" dining, if just for this one night.

This will be a special occasion for my wife and I, and I am looking for a 5-star restaurant where attire is mandatory (or at least customarily) formal and where I can easily drop $1000 or $2000 on dinner for two. I've been searching on the Internet, I've been asking people that should know, and so far I just get blank stares. I suppose we could fly all the way back to Palm Beach and have dinner at L'Escalier at The Breakers hotel on Palm Beach Island. But that's a long way to go for a first class meal.

So, far, it looks like the top four restaurants in the Twin Cities are La Belle Vie, Cosmos, Sevens, and Manny's (and I did not care for the menu at La Belle Vie). Manny's appears to be the most expensive and seems to have just about the best menu (the menu was very impressive and I have no issue whatsoever with the prices) though Seven was close behind, La Belle Vie seems to have the best wine list (though I don't care for their menu; Manny's is much more to my taste), and Cosmos has a menu that is pretty darn good (just not quite as expansive as Seven’s or Manny’s), and they have the Louis XIII Cognac I like to drink (but I just couldn't find any wines I like). Seven had a very impressive menu (though there were a few things lacking, probably because I don't like sushi, which was a disappointment), It has the Louis XIII Cognac I like to drink, the dessert menu was sort of adequate, but I couldn't find any wines to my liking (a excellent vintage Chateau Margeux would be nice).

But NONE of these restaurants require formal attire. People can just walk in off the street in jeans, a shirt, and tennis shoes (or "business casual" if you prefer). That's just fine at a restaurant where dining attire is casual. I do that myself sometimes. But I don't want that for this occasion. I want to come with my wife to a restaurant, in formal attire, and be surrounded by other customers dressed in formal attire.

Doesn't the Twin Cities area have even one restaurant like that?

Want an example? This is what I'm looking for in the Twin Cities: L'Escalier

Isn't there any way that Seven could accommodate this for just one special night? You could even make it a "community" event. Advertise a "Formal-Only Night" (call it maybe "Rockefeller Night at Seven") that is by reservation only. Maybe charge a $100 per reservation (for two or less) reservation fee (over and above what people would pay for their meals and drinks). An additional $50 per person fee could be charged for parties of more than two. This could become an annual Metro event. All I'd ask is that you do it the first or second week of November, as that's when our wedding anniversary is.

-- DW, of St. Paul
 

And here's the reply I sent:

Dear DW,
No offense, but I think you’re kind of going about this backwards. Instead of judging the restaurants from the websites, I think you should go to them. You’ll quickly find that La Belle Vie is indeed formal — and the folks there would be happy to order your special cognac. It’s a lot easier to get a cognac into a restaurant than to repurpose another one’s entire mission for one night. Spending $1,000 or $2,000 on a single dinner is rarely done here. It’s not really in our Midwestern character. If it’s particularly important to you to spend a lot of money, I’d guess a plane ticket is your best option — a lot of people I know who want to splurge book a hotel in Chicago for the night and go someplace like Alinea. Manny’s is very much about informality. If you want tuxedo-appropriate, I don’t think you’ll like that when you’re there. With D’Amico Cucina closing, the only real formal restaurant we have is La Belle Vie—but La Belle Vie is a world-class restaurant. I’d encourage you to look more closely at their menu. In addition to the tastings, they offer an “a la carte” menu, with options like a grilled beef tenderloin. And if sides like the marrow croquette (a fried ball of dough made with beef marrow) don’t appeal to you, you can certainly ask them to leave that croquette in the kitchen. In fact, they are so customer-service oriented there that if you asked for the beef tenderloin with a side of the patatas bravas (fried potatoes) from the halibut dish I know they would be happy to comply.
Hope that helps!
-- Dara

And now, let the crowd-sourcing begin. What would you tell DW of St. Paul?
 

Posted on Monday, July 13, 2009 in Permalink

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Jul 13, 2009 12:03 pm
 Posted by  Moline

Dear rich jerk: If you have so much money to spend, why don't you rent out the whole restuarant for the night, and hire a crowd of people to dress up in attire you find appropriate, and have them populate the place while you have your special evening? A Potemkin restaurant, if you will.

Jul 13, 2009 12:22 pm
 Posted by  Emmysue

I'd tell him to rent a high-end banquet space for an evening and throw his own custom anniversary soiree. Have it catered exactly to your price point and liking. Invite your own guests and require whatever dress code you want. (And if it's key that you be surrounded by fancy-dressed strangers on your anniversary instead of family or friends, take out an ad on Craigslist and describe the atmosphere you are trying to achieve. You'd be surprised who will step up and even pay to partake in your meal and atmosphere.)

Sounds like the Twin Cities is a round hole to your square peg. Too bad, so sad. If it's that important to you, Mr. Fancypance, then go carve your own square hole.

Jul 13, 2009 01:27 pm
 Posted by  WOW

That loud noise you just heard? It was my jaw hitting the floor. Who does this guy think he is? "Make it a 'community' event"? I enjoy fine dining as much as the next guy, but attending an event with even 1 guy like this would make me puke. I'd tell him to get off his high horse, head back to Palm Beach and enjoy L'Escalier with his douchey friends.

"I have no issue whatsoever with the prices"....oh really?! You didn't see anything outside of your $2000 budget ON THE MENU?!

Jul 13, 2009 01:33 pm
 Posted by  Bertram

By "formal dress," does he mean white tie, or black? The difference really cannot be overstated.

Jul 13, 2009 02:06 pm
 Posted by  TuxEdo

Seven isn't even one of the top 40 restaurants in town, let alone top 4. Did one of David Koch's relatives recently emigrate here from Florida?

Also, for someone that's quite particular/fussy as to the wine he drinks and proclaims to drink only the finest producers from the best vintages, you would think he would know how to properly spell Chateau Margaux.

Jul 13, 2009 02:33 pm
 Posted by  lipidfish

... Meanwhile there are some people who wonder if they will even have food for dinner.

DW of St. Paul: You are blessed if this is a big problem for you.

Jul 13, 2009 02:48 pm
 Posted by  youngmama

I can not hardly believe that this was a real letter. What planet does this guy live on??? What a snob.

Jul 13, 2009 03:12 pm
 Posted by  tbone

I have an idea for DW from St. Paul! If you really want satisfaction, spend $500 on a dinner for two, then take $1500 and donate it to Second Harvest.

Jul 13, 2009 03:44 pm
 Posted by  fkaJames

Ok, I'll hop on the "bash DW" bandwagon. I followed the link to L'Escalier, and it ain't Per Se (or even La Belle Vie). I'm not sure how you can drop two grand on a meal there for two (get the tasting menu + wines for $205pp = $410; add a nice tip and you get out of there for under $500). Yes, you can buy a bottle of the 1989 Margaux, but that only proves what a putz you are -- better to bring your own and tip $100 for corkage than to pay restaurant prices for it.

Whether it's DW or Mrs. DW that insists on formalwear (seems like he's hot for it?), there is no reason he couldn't air out the ol' penguin at any number of rooms in the TC. I'm not sure why he insists on having everyone around him share his dress code, but whatever (foolish consistency, etc.).

The thing about DW's great idea (a "'community' event!") is that (a) he wants a restaurant to essentially change it's M.O. to suit his own desires (he even requests specific weeks of the year), and (b) it assumes that there exists anyone else in our fair burg that would be willing to gas it up with d-bags like DW, for a very large charge. Not happenin'.

DW, enjoy your remaining weeks in the Twin Cities. And don't let the door hit your ass on the way back to FLA.

Jul 13, 2009 05:28 pm
 Posted by  Mo

I'm confused. On what, exactly, does DW want to spend two grand on? He doesn't sound like an exotic-food kind of guy. And even if he's munching uni and beluga, $2,000 goes a long way. Kobe beef? Twenty dollars an ounce, give or take. And less for the American version. Louis XIII? A buck-twenty-five a shot. So trying to spend 2K might be a bit tough (but God knows I'd love to try...with somebody else's money). My advice: drink more Louis. Throw in a couple $500 bottles of wine, and he's on his way to an evening of waste and debauchery. Another possibility: call ahead and ask management for a special menu with pointlessly inflated prices to ease any crisis-of-masculinity he might be experiencing. I'm sure they would acquiesce.

If his main concern is attire, why not do private dining? Any of the aforementioned places should be able to accommodate. He can put on his tuxedo, his wife can put on her black evening gown, and they can slide into their private room (hurrying past the jeans-wearing hippies at the bar, natch) without nary a glance at the rest of us slobs.

If none of these options are satisfactory, DW, you're gonna have to buy that plane ticket. Or quit being so damn cheap and buy your own restaurant already.

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